Forum for North Star 8 (#45)

[Posting] Ending conditions?
Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Wed, 2019-10-23 21:06 GMT

The game says "open end" -- at what point do we declare the Lizards the winner and end the game?

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Thu, 2019-10-24 08:40 GMT

The game says "open end" -- at what point do we declare the Lizards the winner and end the game?

Think we're playing for fun, not to find a winner. Now it's just begun.

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Player 8 (The Evil Empire)
Posted Thu, 2019-10-31 15:26 GMT

Ha, ha!!! In other words, the game ends when the Lizard has erased us from the galaxy.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Fri, 2019-11-01 10:17 GMT

Ha, ha!!! In other words, the game ends when the Lizard has erased us from the galaxy.

There are couple of strong races except Lizard.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-06 23:09 GMT

The game says "open end" -- at what point do we declare the Lizards the winner and end the game?

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-06 23:42 GMT

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

No doubt the Borg would eventually assimilate everything (except those pesky Gorn), but I'm content to call it a draw for 2nd place and say the Lizzies won.

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 10:27 GMT

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

As of turn 100, the Borg have surpassed the Fascists and continue their quest for galactic domination.

Do we call it a game, or must I eliminate all the competition? :smile:

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 10:43 GMT, edited Mon, 2020-01-27 10:44 GMT

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

As of turn 100, the Borg have surpassed the Fascists and continue their quest for galactic domination.

Do we call it a game, or must I eliminate all the competition? :smile:

I am in favour of ending the game right now or, at most, in a few turns if anyone thinks that this can make a difference. Greetings.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:05 GMT

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

As of turn 100, the Borg have surpassed the Fascists and continue their quest for galactic domination.

Do we call it a game, or must I eliminate all the competition? :smile:

Seems, Fascist opinion is more important now :smile:

About the end - I think we'd surely end if one of races will get more then 50% of stuff. PTscore, planets, or ships. While it did not happen - we can vote or continue.

Lizard have now 46% of total PTscore, 45% of planets, 40% of ships.

Maybe, we'd play some turns more.

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:06 GMT

I am in favour of ending the game right now or, at most, in a few turns if anyone thinks that this can make a difference. Greetings.

I've been in favour of ending the game since turn 80 when I wasn't in second place, and I'm happy to end any time. It's abundantly clear that the Lizards are winning without competition, it's just us little people competing for lesser placings. I think the placing are all pretty clear except 2nd/3rd place. I can keep crushing the Fascists if it helps clarify things, or we can just end now.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:19 GMT

I am in favour of ending the game right now or, at most, in a few turns if anyone thinks that this can make a difference. Greetings.

I've been in favour of ending the game since turn 80 when I wasn't in second place, and I'm happy to end any time. It's abundantly clear that the Lizards are winning without competition, it's just us little people competing for lesser placings. I think the placing are all pretty clear except 2nd/3rd place. I can keep crushing the Fascists if it helps clarify things, or we can just end now.

There's some fun in gameplay too, placing is not main goal.

Well, if Fascist, or somebody else will not vote for continue, I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:31 GMT

Will the Cyborg outdrive the Fascist?.. It's a question :smile:

As of turn 100, the Borg have surpassed the Fascists and continue their quest for galactic domination.

Do we call it a game, or must I eliminate all the competition? :smile:

Seems, Fascist opinion is more important now :smile:

About the end - I think we'd surely end if one of races will get more then 50% of stuff. PTscore, planets, or ships. While it did not happen - we can vote or continue.

Lizard have now 46% of total PTscore, 45% of planets, 40% of ships.

Maybe, we'd play some turns more.

In my opinion the 50% ending condition is a little bit overkill. I mean that 46% of PTscore is, in this game, an unquestionable victory with great merit.

Nevertheless, I agree with you that we should pay attention to the fascist's opinion. If the fascist wants to play some more turns I wouldn't object as long as we don't lengthen the game more than necessary to clarify 2on/3rd place but in any other case I think that 100 turns should be more than enough.

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:47 GMT

There's some fun in gameplay too, placing is not main goal.

Well, if Fascist, or somebody else will not vote for continue, I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

The vote for ending is entirely with Fascist since he's the one who is in close contention for second place, and we haven't heard from him yet.

The game is still fun, so I'm happy to send my cubes whizzing around the galaxy assimilating everything until the Fascist agrees to an end, and I think it's a good idea to have a 3-5 turn warning of when the game will actually end so people can inflate their scores as they see fit.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:52 GMT, edited Mon, 2020-01-27 11:53 GMT

About the end - I think we'd surely end if one of races will get more then 50% of stuff. PTscore, planets, or ships. While it did not happen - we can vote or continue.

In my opinion the 50% ending condition is a little bit overkill. I

Yes, that's what I said - 50%+ is the mark we can SURELY end, without add. discussions.

In other cases, we can think and vote.

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 11:57 GMT

I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

I think it's a good idea to have a 3-5 turn warning of when the game will actually end so people can inflate their scores as they see fit.

To set the end a few turns ahead makes sense and I won't oppose to that if it helps to reach a consensus.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 12:01 GMT

I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

I think it's a good idea to have a 3-5 turn warning of when the game will actually end so people can inflate their scores as they see fit.

To set the end a few turns ahead makes sense and I won't oppose to that if it helps to reach a consensus.

Let's wait other players opinion till next turn (Fed, Fascist, Crystal) and then ask Stephan to set up the end.

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 12:04 GMT

I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

I think it's a good idea to have a 3-5 turn warning of when the game will actually end so people can inflate their scores as they see fit.

To set the end a few turns ahead makes sense and I won't oppose to that if it helps to reach a consensus.

Let's wait other players opinion till next turn (Fed, Fascist, Crystal) and then ask Stephan to set up the end.

Of course...

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Player 7 (The Crystal People)
Posted Mon, 2020-01-27 23:43 GMT

I offer to set game ending after few turns more (turn 103-105 or so)

I think it's a good idea to have a 3-5 turn warning of when the game will actually end so people can inflate their scores as they see fit.

To set the end a few turns ahead makes sense and I won't oppose to that if it helps to reach a consensus.

Let's wait other players opinion till next turn (Fed, Fascist, Crystal) and then ask Stephan to set up the end.

I would like to play a few more rounds. maybe until turn 105-110, that would be ok for me. congratulations to the lizard, he deservedly won the game.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Fri, 2020-01-31 19:20 GMT

I would like to play a few more rounds.

So, why you always send your turns in last hours? Do it now, and we will make it sooner. :smile:

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Posted Sat, 2020-02-01 10:38 GMT

I have set the end condition to "approximately turn 105", which means chances are it ends in 105, but also chances are that Halvar sees turn 108 :smile:

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Player 7 (The Crystal People)
Posted Sat, 2020-02-01 21:42 GMT

I have set the end condition to "approximately turn 105", which means chances are it ends in 105, but also chances are that Halvar sees turn 108 :smile:

perfect :wink:

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Fri, 2020-02-07 20:04 GMT

I have set the end condition to "approximately turn 105", which means chances are it ends in 105, but also chances are that Halvar sees turn 108 :smile:

Seems, Borg and Fascist still almost equal... Maybe, turn 110 for end is better, than 105?..

They may need time to seize second place surely.

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Fri, 2020-02-07 20:18 GMT

If there is still a draw for second place at turn 110 are we going to go on until turn 115, and so on? I suggest that let's just vote to fix an ending turn and let the second place be for whoever has any more point than the third one.

I have set the end condition to "approximately turn 105", which means chances are it ends in 105, but also chances are that Halvar sees turn 108 :smile:

Seems, Borg and Fascist still almost equal... Maybe, turn 110 for end is better, than 105?..

They may need time to seize second place surely.

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Fri, 2020-02-07 20:26 GMT

I suggest that let's just vote to fix an ending turn and let the second place be for whoever has any more point than the third one.

I believe the ending condition of "about turn 105" is fair. If I can push past the Fascists (again) in the next couple turns, great for me, if not I'm perfectly content for 3rd place.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Sun, 2020-02-09 12:38 GMT

No problem for me :smile: We played a long game, and it'd be good if all players will be satisfied.

If there is still a draw for second place at turn 110 are we going to go on until turn 115, and so on? I suggest that let's just vote to fix an ending turn and let the second place be for whoever has any more point than the third one.

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Sun, 2020-02-16 23:13 GMT

Please, can we vote on the turn to end the game?

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2020-02-17 00:27 GMT

Please, can we vote on the turn to end the game?

The end has been "set", but it's the usual random 0-5 turns past the target (of turn 105 in this case). Apparently it wasn't 105, or 106, but it might be 107, or it might stretch to 110 (or beyond, depending on how Stefan's random number generator is feeling). That said, I'm (still) ready to end anytime.

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Mon, 2020-02-17 08:35 GMT

Thanks for the clarification! This is my first game at PlanetsCentral and I didn't know exactly how the host usually ends the game.

No problem, then. Please forget my previous post about the vote.

Please, can we vote on the turn to end the game?

The end has been "set", but it's the usual random 0-5 turns past the target (of turn 105 in this case). Apparently it wasn't 105, or 106, but it might be 107, or it might stretch to 110 (or beyond, depending on how Stefan's random number generator is feeling). That said, I'm (still) ready to end anytime.

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2020-02-17 17:03 GMT

Please, can we vote on the turn to end the game?

That said, I'm (still) ready to end anytime.

Eight heavy Cyborg cubes traveling in Fed's land; One said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.

[Posting] Re: Ending conditions?
Posted Mon, 2020-02-17 17:52 GMT

Please, can we vote on the turn to end the game?

The end has been "set", but it's the usual random 0-5 turns past the target (of turn 105 in this case). Apparently it wasn't 105, or 106, but it might be 107, or it might stretch to 110 (or beyond, depending on how Stefan's random number generator is feeling). That said, I'm (still) ready to end anytime.

Probability is rising quickly, but the server rolled lucky (or unlucky) last two turns:

[2020-02-13 03:00:08] [host.victory] <Info> I rolled a 49
[2020-02-13 03:00:08] [host.victory] <Info> game 45: 'turn' condition continues game, probability 25

[2020-02-16 02:30:07] [host.victory] <Info> I rolled a 47
[2020-02-16 02:30:07] [host.victory] <Info> game 45: 'turn' condition continues game, probability 37

--Stefan

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-20 18:21 GMT, edited Thu, 2020-02-20 18:33 GMT

That said, I'm (still) ready to end anytime.

Eight heavy Cyborg cubes traveling in Fed's land;

One said he'd stay there, and then there were seven.

Seven heavy Cyborg cubes chopping up Crys;

One chopped by Lizard's T-rex, and then there were six.

Six heavy Cyborg cubes plays in Fascist hive;

Fascist stung one at Lucus and then there were five.

:smile:

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-20 18:27 GMT, edited Thu, 2020-02-20 18:34 GMT

Some heavy Cyborg Cubes waiting in the queue

But Hellfire was recycled, and one of them is built :smile:

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-20 23:24 GMT

Bird/Crys cluster is incredible. 9 Bovinoids of 21 planets :smile:

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din
Player 10 (The Rebels)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-27 07:55 GMT

Congratulations to the Lizard for an overhelming victory and also to the other members of the podium, the Cyborg and the Fascist! Thanks to everybody or the game!

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Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-27 11:18 GMT

Congratulations to the Lizard for an overhelming victory and also to the other members of the podium, the Cyborg and the Fascist! Thanks to everybody or the game!

Thanks, it was long game. If somebody wish to exchange last rst, send it to me via email.

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Thread opener, Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Thu, 2020-02-27 13:28 GMT

If somebody wish to exchange last rst, send it to me via email.

Well done Siba!
I have sent you my RST. If anyone else wants to exchange send me an email too.

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