Forum for Pleiades 17 (#63)

[Posting] Finally, it is finished
Thread opener, Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Sun, 2022-07-10 06:37 GMT

Rarely boring party.

I predicted the scenario "super alliance agains others", simply mistaken about the stuff.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 9 (The Robots)
Posted Sun, 2022-07-10 10:17 GMT

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Sun, 2022-07-10 13:43 GMT

could even have been a 3 vs 3 vs 3 if he had replied to any of my messages in the beginning of the game ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Thread opener, Player 2 (The Lizards)
Posted Mon, 2022-07-11 06:03 GMT

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

Yes, considering the first 3 of your example was on the same side with 2.

Yo do sure what I mean.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Mon, 2022-07-11 11:20 GMT

Maybe it felt that way, but it wasnt. Started with me trying to contact you very early in the game, you were already close to my HW and while I waited for you to answer to my messages, I dropped one planet which was too close. The hostilities started through that. Afterwards, I had trouble keeping you in bay, while the Colonial pressured me from the side. I managed to keep him from my main territory. Due to lack of ressources I was having my hands full with the two of you, so when the Robot and Klingon were closing in from the north, I had to negotiate. There were some squabbles about planets and some drops, but in the end we managed to come up with a border. Over the whole game, there was no cooperation between the Borg-Fed alliance and the Robot-Klingon-Bird alliance. Only one time, when I hunted an Atlantia which escaped to Robot territory, I asked the Robot if I should continue the hunt, but he took over and I turned back. The Colonial was an enemy to both alliances. Only towards the end of the game I managed to strengthen my forces to finally turn the tables in my favor and launched a full attack on your territory. Until then, it was uncertain. I mainly fought you, the Fed mainly fought the Colonial. And there was no mega-alliance, not even close.

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

Yes, considering the first 3 of your example was on the same side with 2.

Yo do sure what I mean.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 9 (The Robots)
Posted Tue, 2022-07-12 16:34 GMT

I could not agree more.

Maybe it felt that way, but it wasnt. Started with me trying to contact you very early in the game, you were already close to my HW and while I waited for you to answer to my messages, I dropped one planet which was too close. The hostilities started through that. Afterwards, I had trouble keeping you in bay, while the Colonial pressured me from the side. I managed to keep him from my main territory. Due to lack of ressources I was having my hands full with the two of you, so when the Robot and Klingon were closing in from the north, I had to negotiate. There were some squabbles about planets and some drops, but in the end we managed to come up with a border. Over the whole game, there was no cooperation between the Borg-Fed alliance and the Robot-Klingon-Bird alliance. Only one time, when I hunted an Atlantia which escaped to Robot territory, I asked the Robot if I should continue the hunt, but he took over and I turned back. The Colonial was an enemy to both alliances. Only towards the end of the game I managed to strengthen my forces to finally turn the tables in my favor and launched a full attack on your territory. Until then, it was uncertain. I mainly fought you, the Fed mainly fought the Colonial. And there was no mega-alliance, not even close.

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

Yes, considering the first 3 of your example was on the same side with 2.

Yo do sure what I mean.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 5 (The Privateers)
Posted Fri, 2022-07-15 15:30 GMT

Not quite sure what you mean. It was a game of 3 vs 3 vs 2 vs 1. Not any mega alliance in my mind.

from the point of view of the other side, it looked different, the union 5-7-11 with the later 2 actually fought against both unions - both 3-4-9 and 1-6. considering that alliances 3-4-9 and 1-6 may not have entered into an alliance at the level of the game - but in fact they colluded and did not fight among themselves, since both unions chose us as a target and did not fight among themselves - in fact, a war 1-6 + 3-4-9 against 2 + 5-7-11 came out. unfortunately, a rich galaxy gives a very big bonus to heavy races - especially 6-8-9-10-11. A lot of minerals allowed the robot to build many flagships and basilisks. In addition - I believe that basilisk anti-cloack at level 0 completely breaks the game every time - at least basilisk should receive an anti-cloack at level 3 or 4 - if he lives

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 6 (The Cyborg)
Posted Fri, 2022-07-15 16:10 GMT

a NAP (non agression pact) is not an alliance and no cooperation - to throw two alliances who just dont fight each other into one pot and make it look like they're on one side is just plain wrong.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 5 (The Privateers)
Posted Fri, 2022-07-15 18:01 GMT

a NAP (non agression pact) is not an alliance and no cooperation - to throw two alliances who just dont fight each other into one pot and make it look like they're on one side is just plain wrong.

a half-filled glass is half empty for one side, and half full for the other......

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 9 (The Robots)
Posted Sat, 2022-07-16 18:24 GMT

Well, this is always the case when two parties agree to a NAP. They are both able to focus on other targets which might easily be the same.

So in order to avoid this in the future nobody should negotiate a NAP any more, it would have to be friend or foe, black or white.

Not sure if this can be enforced...

from the point of view of the other side, it looked different, the union 5-7-11 with the later 2 actually fought against both unions - both 3-4-9 and 1-6. considering that alliances 3-4-9 and 1-6 may not have entered into an alliance at the level of the game - but in fact they colluded and did not fight among themselves, since both unions chose us as a target and did not fight among themselves - in fact, a war 1-6 + 3-4-9 against 2 + 5-7-11 came out.

[Posting] Re: Finally, it is finished
Player 5 (The Privateers)
Posted Sat, 2022-07-16 18:56 GMT

Not sure if this can be enforced...

there is a simple solution to play more wolf games without alliances at all. then there will definitely be no super alliance wars.

secondly, a rich and super resource-rich galaxy breaks at least some semblance of balance.

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