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It seems you wish to see only one winner in the game. And your point is he should prove his superiority as long as there's some players who tried to beat him.

But I think it's not fair.

First, there's second, third and other places, except first. And, it's often better for scoring to secure current place, instead of fighting top races and lose all. For example, in this game Empire playes, IMHO, was stronger than Borg or Rebel. And Bird was surely stronger, but both of them losing in scores.

Second, in such situation, the game turns to "ashes of old empire", where all of 10 (or less) races trying to beat the leader.

Third, we are not playing of 11 Feds. Races are different, some of them can win easier in the early game, while others are not. Nobody can stop fat & heavy Borg - if he'll not beaten early, he usually wins. But races like Rebel, Empire, or Klingon wins rarely. So, the end condition makes a line between short and unlimited games.

So, I'm still sure we need the end condition.

The major carrier races are vulnerable to quick attacks from the cloaking races, they need to setup a good defense before expanding. And it takes time, lots of time before they can dominate the cluster.

So, why we should give this advantage for carrier races?..

Sure, go ahead, propose something.

I've proposed turn 80 already If you're not agree, it's your turn to propose. It doesn't matter much for me, but it'd be concrete rules, not based on "feelings"

Well, I said players who can still influence the game. At this point we have 5 such players (Gorn, Klingon, Orion, Tholian and Cylon) - they may vote.

And who deciding, who can influence, and who can not?.. What is the rule?.. All, who has 400k+ PTScore?.. All, who wants Ygg, the Judge?..

What we'd do with voting results?.. What if two races wish to continue, and three wish to end?.. What if one race wish to continue, and four wish to end?.. What if these four races thinks the one can't influence the game, but that one feels he can win still?..

We need the rules. I don't want playing for years too